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Could you accept a benevolent dictator?
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 11 2016, 02:40 PM (878 Views)
+ Pelador	Jan 11 2016, 02:40 PM Post #1
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	If there was a coup in your country and a dictator took charge but they were really nice and did good things, would you accept them despite no longer having any say in your government? I wouldn't mind. As long as order is kept, people are happy and the nation improves. Not like democratic governments are much good anyway. Edited by Pelador, Jan 11 2016, 02:40 PM.
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~~DarkCoreReborn~~	Jan 11 2016, 02:44 PM Post #2
Posts: 58 Group: Banned Member #12,860 Joined: January 10, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Nigeria	I would rather put my trust in one genius, than billions of retards, so if the dictator's ideals are sufficiently similar to my own, yes.



Darker	Jan 11 2016, 02:53 PM Post #3
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,358 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	You mean something like Doctor Doom, who is somewhat nice, keeps things in order and doesn't mess around? Sure, best dictator ever. Even if Doom is technically not a dictator.
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Dankness Lava	Jan 11 2016, 03:52 PM Post #4
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	If one person truly cares about the people's interests and safety as a whole, then he would be a good leader no matter how strict.



* Mitas	Jan 11 2016, 03:58 PM Post #5
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	I mean, if the dictator is nice and doing good things then why would I need a say in the government? It would be working perfectly. So yeah, I'd be fine with it.
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+ Pointer	Jan 11 2016, 04:01 PM Post #6
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	pretty much FIDESZ and Mr Viktor in Hungary. so i accept, what else i could do?



*Copy_Ninja*	Jan 11 2016, 04:03 PM Post #7
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Nope, not at all. For a few reasons: 1. What satisfies me isn't going to satisfy the entire population. This is a fact, there is not one policy that could exist that would have universal backing. People are going to have problems with it. Which is fine, when you are allowed to express that disagreement, which a dictatorship would not allow for. 2. What happens when the dictator dies? "Nice" dictators are few and far between because positions holding that much power are generally going to attract bad people. Then you end up with a successor who's horrible but you're f***ed because you've already allowed this dictatorship to flourish. 3. I value having a say in how the country I live in is run. Yes, current democracies are far from perfect but accountability for those in charge is important.
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Tinny	Jan 11 2016, 04:09 PM Post #8
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Only under the must temporary of conditions. As the enemy is banging on the gates kind of thing. Aside from that a dictator, no matter how benevolent, wise, and good, will die, from there what happens? We might get a man not even a tenth of the person he was. And in a way, and this may sound weird, but I think it's gonna make it too easy for the people to sit back and let whatever happens happen. To blame the government and assume it's impossible for them to change anything. That's already a problematic mindset in an alarming amount of mind today, I can't imagine how it would be in a dictatorship.
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~~DarkCoreReborn~~	Jan 11 2016, 04:18 PM Post #9
Posts: 58 Group: Banned Member #12,860 Joined: January 10, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Nigeria	True democracy has never existed, ever. And if it had, it would have ended badly because the average person is clueless and so is bound to make poor decisions based on short-term thinking. The closest any political system came to democracy was what's called "Athenian Democracy" in ancient Greece, but slaves, women, and foreigners couldn't vote. Which is why it was partially successful, because if you allow slaves, women, and foreigners to vote you include more people who are on average more clueless, less interested in the well-being of the state, and less intelligent. However, in modern times, slavery is considered bad, and nobody wants to be a slave. But the easiest way to enslave a person is to simply tell them they're free by giving them a vote. The masses are easily seduced by the idea that they are not just a bunch clueless simpletons, but that their vote counts as well. Unfortunately for the masses, a series of advancements and discoveries in science, particularly in fields of biology and psychology, demystified human nature and provided the information necessary to manipulate the masses, once again reducing them to their usual state of blind, obedient, mindless servitude. So no, there is no democracy in modern times. There is only oligarchy, and democracy is just a word used to emotionally seduce the masses into thinking they matter.



Dankness Lava	Jan 11 2016, 04:29 PM Post #10
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Copy_Ninja Jan 11 2016, 04:03 PM Nope, not at all. For a few reasons: 1. What satisfies me isn't going to satisfy the entire population. This is a fact, there is not one policy that could exist that would have universal backing. People are going to have problems with it. Which is fine, when you are allowed to express that disagreement, which a dictatorship would not allow for. 2. What happens when the dictator dies? "Nice" dictators are few and far between because positions holding that much power are generally going to attract bad people. Then you end up with a successor who's horrible but you're f***ed because you've already allowed this dictatorship to flourish. 3. I value having a say in how the country I live in is run. Yes, current democracies are far from perfect but accountability for those in charge is important. That's true, the future is important, can't just think of the here and now. I can see where you're coming from.



lazerbem	Jan 11 2016, 09:01 PM Post #11
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	What happens when the dictator's son takes over and he's a power crazed lunatic? Or when its his grand son? It may not be your problem, but you're basically telling future generations to pray in hopes that their leader is a nice guy
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+ Pelador	Jan 11 2016, 09:13 PM Post #12
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Isn't it exactly the same situation with democracies? You have no idea if you are voting for a liar and a scum bag. It's easy for them to say whatever they think you want to hear when they are campaigning. Once they are in power they don't need to follow up on any of it. So in a sense we pray for good leaders regardless of their style of governments. Some people might say well at least we get to choose. I think that makes it worse when we get an idiot in charge. At least with a bad dictator we can use the excuse that it was no one's fault. Not that I would rather have a bad dictator than a bad Prime Minister. I'm not crazy. But arguing that it's automatically better when we get to choose doesn't seem right to me. Imperfect people will vote for an imperfect leader. And you are assuming that they automatically pick their douchebag children to replace them. If a dictator was truly benevolent then they might select someone as competent as they are or put it to a vote. Edited by Pelador, Jan 11 2016, 09:14 PM.
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*Copy_Ninja*	Jan 11 2016, 09:24 PM Post #13
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Pelador Jan 11 2016, 09:13 PM Isn't it exactly the same situation with democracies? You have no idea if you are voting for a liar and a scum bag. It's easy for them to say whatever they think you want to hear when they are campaigning. Once they are in power they don't need to follow up on any of it. So in a sense we pray for good leaders regardless of their style of governments. Some people might say well at least we get to choose. I think that makes it worse when we get an idiot in charge. At least with a bad dictator we can use the excuse that it was no one's fault. Not that I would rather have a bad dictator than a bad Prime Minister. I'm not crazy. But arguing that it's automatically better when we get to choose doesn't seem right to me. Imperfect people will vote for an imperfect leader. 1. If you elect someone and they end up horrible, at the very least you've only got to put up with whatever their term is before they go before the polls again. Politicians that outright lie and make a lot of unpopular decisions generally don't survive. There's exceptions of course, I think Bush would be a glaring one, but on the whole you can't get away with that s***. 2. As for the blame thing, I disagree. If you vote for a bad leader then you have a chance to correct that. If a dictator ends up being a horrible leader then there's really not much you can do about it and it's going to effect your life for an indefinite amount of time. Being able to say "well I didn't vote for him" doesn't really change anything. It's really easy to take democracy for granted when you have it and it's all you've ever known.
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+ Pelador	Jan 11 2016, 09:34 PM Post #14
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	That is true. And I suppose compared to the limited terms of most elected officials, a lifetime is awful when you disagree with everything a dictator stands for. We would have to be in a situation where we had about two decades of terrible politicians tearing the nation apart with stupid policy decisions and rampant corruption. That might make people change their ideas about democracy. Of course you'd be lucky to get a good dictator. They don't come around very often. However sometimes sticking with the status quo only leads to further suffering.
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Tinny	Jan 11 2016, 10:12 PM Post #15
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Quote: Some people might say well at least we get to choose. I think that makes it worse when we get an idiot in charge. At least with a bad dictator we can use the excuse that it was no one's fault. Not that I would rather have a bad dictator than a bad Prime Minister. I'm not crazy. But arguing that it's automatically better when we get to choose doesn't seem right to me. Imperfect people will vote for an imperfect leader. That's exactly why I can't accept a dictator. It lets people deceive themselves far too easily into thinking they didn't game a hand in this. If you vote someone bad in it's still possible, but harder. They will, but at least w can avoid the extreme lows, even if we miss out on some of the highs. An incompetent or corrupt democracy needs reform, not replacement. Edited by Tinny, Jan 11 2016, 10:14 PM.
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